It seems to me this event was very poorly organized.
Ganked puts high sec dwellers into 0.0 every weekend and it's great fun for all parties involved. CCP helped enable the flight of a 1000 rifters. There are a lot of people would jump to help CCP organize a massive RP-ish fight by providing scouts, fc's, voice, prizes and advice.
But I agree with Jester, saying that CCP dropped the ball and dropped it badly.

The bottom line is basically everybody that was there got scammed into a killbox. Everybody listened and trusted CCP and followed them into a killzone. Than CCP basically just pointed and laughed.

Which is fine, whats one of the first things you should have learned playing this game? Don't trust anybody, even if your sleeping with them. Everybody thought since it was CCP they'll protect you or somehow make all the null sec alliances disappear.

Well guess what? CCP walked you into the lions den and the lion was not only there but hungry as hell. So everybody got owned. But you should have at least learned something from this if nothing else that you can't trust even CCP in eve. They will screw you just as fast as any other scammer out there.

Now if you'll excuse me i need to log my other toon in and tend to the market, ship sells are slightly higher than average right now :)

I for one want to thank CCP for giving high-sec players a chance to leaving their shackles of empire.

That's how it should be. CCP never had a plan for dealing with low/null pilots in Live Events that crossed into Low/Nullsec before, it was always up to the players to take a different route, scout things out, arrange for a cyno etc... I don't know why people assumed this would be any different.

So, this is where I cash in my annual Threadnaught ticket?


I was involved in this on the 'pirate' side, in Syndicate, in a small fleet alongside Rote, Suddenly and a couple others.

As seems to have been a common occurance, we recieved only basic information from the NPC's. We infered that the Syndicate target was in 8V-, so we kicked around there. Due to a lack of clear communication from the NPC's, however, we adopted a roam around the system and shoot everything approach. TiDi in 8V- itself was minor at worst, however other systems weren't so smooth.



Feedback from me:

* The NPC factions went about their own business, and expected the players to sort their own affairs out. It's clear that a fair few players on the Empire side expected to be directed by the NPC's, so perhaps in the future CCP should be more clear on this. Something like a statement to the effect of 'We [the NPC's] will be focusing on our fleet action, you [the players] will need to find those amongst you to lead and direct your efforts'. No hand-holding or insulation from the often harsh nature of EvE, but a simple 'sort your own **** out' would have helped those Empire folks to be a bit more prepared.



* Why did the Empire fleets have to initially assemble so far off? Why not closer (Stacmon, for example)? TiDi is clearly to be expected when that volume of pilots travel, so next time minimise the impact by reducing the distance they have to travel. Also, perhaps something that could be linked to the aforementioned 'players, you need to lead yourself' statement, is an advisory that TiDi (or spacial distortions, etc) is likely to be present. Again, I'm not saying you need to hold their hands, but a little information about what they could expect might have helped.



Those two points aside, well done for running an event that had two seperate targets, at the same time, involving 1000's of players. Next time however, a little more thought should be applied regarding the logistical aspect of the event.

Hal.

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I agree that CCP needs to address the blunder, but what do you want for reimbursement? i mean remember this was a simple event that went horrible wrong. That's it, it's not like they completely change some game mechanics or anything.

Ok, couple of things to add.
How am i pissed of people saying smth like:
Blah blah blah PERIOD.
Or balh IS blah.
Remember, that is only your opinion!
EVE is PvP game - yep sure, but PvP is not only shooitng down squares, it can be ecomonical, so highsec carebears, who actually never leave notonly highsec, rarely they leave stations have also theyr pvp. Miners have theyr pvp because they are caompeeting to get more ore than others, given limited ammount of ore between dts it is mainly a war of who get more from fixed ammount. Just get your head out of your own defenition of game and respect others opinion.

ALL RESPECT OTHERS OPINIONS.

Libe event is meant to make histoy especiallg in the game with so rich history.
And now compare:
Thousands of highsec pilots decided to end pirating in space and unite for one coordinated attack on investigated pirates site. The attack was holded by the united force of pirates and those who support them.
And.
Bunch of pilots were blindly jumping to the well guarded and well known to be guarded gate one by one to get killed, without even knowkng what to exclect in the end and why they are dying for.

As for me, I would prefer my name enlisted in the 1 scenario. Even result is the same. Carebears got killed, Razors get tons of killmails, everybody happy.

Next time dear razors, if you see that this kiind of stuff happening, take initiative, make it fun, don't be selfish as you were insta killing everything on fhe gate, bubble in the middle of the warp, cap fleets... Whatever you like, null is yours, show that. Not only by killing, but as a true predators, playing before killing. You cold have killedem ( us ) all anyway. Eve is more than your sov nullspace.

i bet you can afford that, no? somebody from the previous comments mentioned how expensive is to live in the claimed nulls, i bet you can afford that, why bother bring top ships against blob, but notformat not coordinated, not supported fleets? throw garbage at the garbage and see us flee before well coordinated fleet? and in case of situation gettign out of control - you have cynos and bridges and for crist sake you live in that region, you have a backup plan by nature. Big alliances had a chance to show really that null is theyr's but they didn't all they showed that they are able to keep anybody away from it. anyway i would done it differently, esp if you wanted to show something to the carebears. but again who am i to judge, or make any proposals. just ISK farmer.

To put it simply we were all CPPd

Look, I empathize with the hi seccers on this one because they got led like lambs to the slaughter.

But this is literally the dumbest thing I have ever read. Hisec isn't ever going to organize, and therefore we in low and null ought to be afraid of you?

Yeah, good luck with that.

So, since CCP failed, you expect your fellow players to give up THEIR fun (and ISK) in a PVP game so that you can have yours.
Doesn't that strike you as a bit pretentious?



Lol. As I told you, I'm not a nullsec dweller.
Yet if I were, I would've been at the borders shooting fish in the barrel.

I'm not saying a blob can take up sov and make an alliance run screaming. But face a 1000 pilots blob and be sure you'll lose some ships - it's inevitable, the firepower is simply too much.

So, are you willing to sacrifice your ship for no reason at all? Just to make someone else happy?
If you are, then you should be happy because that's EXACTLY what you did at the event. Glad you enjoyed it.
If you are not, then why are you asking someone else to risk their ships to make you have fun?

First off, stop being so dramatic. It's not helping you get your point across.

Second, getting organized does not make you a slave. In this game, what it does is it makes you effective.

My experience in flying trough null has thought me otherwise. Whenever I wander through our null static, all the Uber powerful tear harvesting chest beating Kings of Null-sec either dock up, or flee through the nearest gate. You lot are afraid all right, of a single WH player in a lonely Legion. And most of the times I'm the one laughing all the way to the bank after plundering your riches in your backwater systems.

Of course I don't play this game by your rules and your standards, why don't you play by mine?


Please don't misunderstand, it was a question, not a statement you have to. Because I would be a fool to tell another EvE player how to play this game. The strength of this game comes at least partially from the myriad ways to play it. In other words, there is no right or wrong way.
And judging by more than a few posts, the nullseccers had their fun last night because the highseccers play the way they do. So don't judge and belittle, but give a pad on the back and say 'hey dudes, thanks for the fun and the padding of our kill boards'....

gave up after 16 jumps, **** this **** for a "unlive" event, at least ccp SHOULD have talked been there or something, but guesses they don't care about the players 1st and last event EVER

I kinda feel bad for CCP now, but that is really funny!

If any CCP guy does read this, I'll just say one thing. Instead of raging, let me offer this one piece of advice. Consider briefing the CSM on your plans before you implement them next time, just like you do with most game changes and devblogs. This game is, as you know, hard to get right unless you have a lot of experience. Any one of the CSM members could have predicted all the things that were going to go wrong with this live event and how the players would react. It's a simple thing that will save you from all these unintended consequences next time.

The motivation here is that people are willing to die for a greater cause. Not die to appease the local warlords. It's something used in real armies. You don't recruit people by saying *you get to kill others!* No, you recruit them by giving them a greater cause *Fight to defend your country and to safeguard your family!*

If the Nullsec Blocks and/or CCP can find this motivation and find a way to integrate it into nullsec properly, you'd have more people joining nullsec powers.

If high sec players want to stand up for their playstyle and defend it, they need to get organized. That means getting into big alliances, fighting back in game, but it also means getting their own representatives on the CSM and influence CCP. There is no other way to protect the "free trade" and "more less safe environment for manufacturing".

It seems very few of the legitimate concerns this thread has raised have been
addressed let alone dealt with.

Which are those, exactly?

Because this thread is about 99% tantruming over spilled milk, by volume.